Sacrifice & Honor

If you joined us in The Lounge this week, then you know this conversation got personal REAL quick.

We started talking about sacrifice, but somewhere along the way we found ourselves reflecting on the people who refused to let us stay where we were. The mentors. The parents. The spiritual leaders. The friends who challenged us, corrected us, prayed for us, and pushed us toward purpose when we couldn't always see it for ourselves.

The truth is, none of us arrive at purpose alone.

Someone sacrificed.
Someone invested.
Someone believed.
Someone stayed.

This week's episode is a reminder that honor isn't just about saying "thank you"—it's about living in a way that proves their investment wasn't wasted.

So here's the question: Who helped push you into purpose?

Pull up a seat in The Lounge and join the conversation. We saved you a spot. ☕️✨

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Transcript

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How you feeling?

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Oh, it's Saturday. Yeah. It's raining. Yeah. I wanna go back to sleep. But unfortunately, we have a long day.

SPEAKER_05 1:08

I'm not gonna say unfortunately, but yeah, we do have a pretty lengthy day.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Man. So um let's talk about that just a little bit. Um when you when you when you're in ministry and ministry is not a bad thing. It's just it have these moments right here. Like when you want to sleep in. Absolutely. But then there's ministry. Um I was talking to uh someone the other day and I was like, you know, we we pushing through, but I pray for the ones that have to do it for real. Yeah. Like the Bishop Jacobson and the people that does this for real. Like full time really never get no sleep. And the time that they do have, they have to spend it with their family. Uh musicians, uh, they don't never get no sleep. Like, you know Lord, thank God for the few hours that I get. Because listen, this ain't for the week.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

No, and I I think people overlook the sacrifice um their ministry takes. Like being a a PK and watching my dad like have to um he would work during the week, he would still do Bible study on Wednesday, at least he appointed somebody. And then sometimes I would be the appointed person. Well and then do whatever we did on Saturdays, he would be up there on Saturdays sometimes, and then come in on Sunday, and then leave and go to work. And then there was a point where he was like working overnight.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

So he was like, see, that's tough.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

That's tough. So And that's another thing. You still have life, you still have regular life, you still have to get up and go to work after a long weekend of ministry. You still have to uh attend to your normal life. You still have right now I gotta cut my grass.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

It's raining those.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

But it's been raining all week and it's bothering me because I know that it's very few times that I probably have a chance to get to cut my grass. But at the same time, you still have to show up for that type of stuff. You can't neglect your personal well, you can't neglect your personal life, and you cannot uh uh neglect your your your ministry life that the assignments that you have. You literally have to like I think the only way that I'm able to do it is because of the grace of God that's on my life. Yeah, and we we have this saying if God put it on your plate, you're able to eat it. Yeah, and so and although it might be a stretch, I try not to complain. Oh, this is definitely like I wish I could sleep though, but I don't I don't I don't believe that's a complaint. I think we all wish we could sleep. Absolutely. But we show up without slacking, we show up, we still have to show up with a smile on our face, and um that's not like I said, that's that's not easy. The normal person that is not called wouldn't be able to do this. Right. Um and I'm not saying that in an arrogant way, but they wouldn't. Yeah because at the end of the day, you get burnt out. Yeah, if you're not, if you're if you're not doing it for Christ and you know that uh you're just doing it, eventually you're gonna burn out. Yeah. And when you burn out, you know, hey You're gonna quit. Most people do quit. Most people do quit because that it'll be like you know, things probably begin well, even sometimes not, but I I don't burn out and I don't quit. Sometimes the enemy can get in my head and be like, oh, you're doing too much. Yeah. You're doing this, yeah. Listen, you need to just sit down, sit down one day. You need to just do this. And but um you have to be able to hit that override button and be like, so, you know, this is my override button. I think that's so when you push the override button, you just be like I think it would be an overdrive instead of override. But No, I mean with the enemy. Oh, yeah. With the enemy when that you just when the when your thoughts get into your head and be like, you shouldn't you shouldn't be doing this like this.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

You'd be like, you know, you know how to add an angels on your shoulder and I think it's important though that we talk about the sacrifices, not just um in ministry, but just in our walk with Christ overall, because people don't realize, especially people that are like first coming into the faith that it it's not gonna be happy all the time.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

It's not gonna be um sunshine and rainbows, and as much as we would love for it to be, and that's not to say that it's not it's great being on the side of Christ. Like it's you know, who's on the Lord's side?

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Which side are you on? I'm on the winning side.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

It's great being on the winning side, but there's also a sacrifice that comes with it, and that's biblical, that's Bible. You have to bear your cross. And I think a lot of times we get caught up in the fact of man, I've been bearing my cross, bearing my cross, but where's the benefit? Wow. How is it benefiting me now? Because I feel like I've been sacrificing, sacrificing, sacrificing, and I don't see any of the fruit or the harvest of the sacrifice. And that's when you have to pull on, be not weary of well doing. Yeah um, because there is a reward that's gonna come, but I just want to speak to everybody that's just been laboring, laboring, laboring, um, and you feel like the reward isn't coming. Don't get weary, don't stop now. Yeah, because what's on the other side of this labor is something far greater than what you could have ever imagined.

SPEAKER_06 7:21

Most definitely.

SPEAKER_05 7:22

And I think that you have to pull on, I know you have to pull on the grace and the strength of God to say, you know what, I gotta keep pushing, no matter what it looks like. And for us lately, it's just been sleep, time, time together, time as a family, um, and just time as individuals, um, and things like that. And so I I think I we need to encourage each other.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Well, I'm um I mean uh uh of course, yeah, but at the same time, I look at it like this. I believe God is preparing us something um for something. I believe a lot of time when God puts you in a season like this, it's it's it's gonna be for some. So you get all the kinks out the way, get all those moments out the way.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Uh, I don't want to do it today.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Uh you get all those moments because it's gonna become a time that where we don't have the space to even think that.

SPEAKER_05 8:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

You know, um and um I know that God has some major things in store for us, uh, and we already kind of branching out and starting to kind of have our hands in a lot of stuff. Absolutely. And um, although we here's the thing, can I share something with somebody? We ain't asked for none of this. It's just when you uh when you begin to walk in a purpose, things the things just start happening. Things just start happening. Yeah. And so um let me make this clear. We're far from complaining, but we're grateful because it could have been a situation that where God just put us there and say, hey, you don't have no type of strengthening training. But I believe this right here is like a strengthening training uh for uh the future. And and when we realize at some point that God does everything for a reason, yeah, um, no matter how harsh we may feel like it is, no matter how tough that we may feel like God is being on us. But one thing I've noticed in my lifetime that if God does something, and he does it intentionally, even if it's a lesson learned or this and that, but he does it intentionally. And then you look back and be like, but dog, if I didn't wouldn't able to endure that that, I definitely wouldn't be able to endure this today. And uh I think even uh I'm a bass player, and I was sitting up there that I was thinking about it one day, and uh I know at our old church uh the choir used to do them old songs. I hated them. I hate them because I feel I feel I feel like sometimes those bass players back in the day just used to be doing stuff. But if I didn't I if I didn't stick through it then, even through my laziness, even though I didn't want to do it, and then third, I probably wouldn't be the bass player that I am today. Yeah, man, I'm not I'm not great, I'm not perfect, but I've come a long way. Hey man. And um He's a great bass player. I believe that I believe that if you don't go through certain things and able to endure that level.

SPEAKER_04 11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Once you get on a bigger level, you definitely won't be able to endure that. So I've um like I said, God does everything for a reason, even when it seems like it's harsh.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

And sometimes that's how parents should be. Because sometimes I'm able to love on Jeremiah, but sometimes I have to push him as a father. Because I can I know that the push and the tough love is gonna teach him better than oh, okay, baby, do it like this. Yeah. At the end of the day, you have to be able to just like God, you have to be able to discern your children and say, hey, what what style and method today that would help him get this today?

SPEAKER_05 11:47

Yeah. Um I can just keep hearing all things work together. And a lot of times we look at that as like people and you know, like certain situ like situations that we deem like horrible. Um but in this moment when I say all things, I mean like every every season of your life that uh the strengthening the the seasons where you were able to, you know, uh harvest the season, like all of those things work together to get you to the point where God wants you to be. And I I think it's great not to take for granted uh every season.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:36

Every season, because every season is necessary, yeah. Every moment is necessary, and a lot of times we we like to skip through the bad parts, but uh you can't appreciate the good parts without the bad parts. Yeah. It's hard to appreciate good things without first experiencing the other side of them because you know I realize oh man, you know, at this point in my life I didn't have that. So I'm grateful that I have this, you know, at this moment. Because at one point at one point I didn't have it. Yeah. You know, and so just all things, all things work. All things work. And like you said, like the strengthening, because you're not gonna get out, you're not gonna get out on the football field and try to play football without first conditioning.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Oh, somebody will.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Somebody will, but somebody will, but it's not and and even that's funny you said it it to even that extent, you it's as a as a former football player, um, I used to I used to get mad when they doing all the. I said, I'm a whole lineman. Why is you running me like this? I really used to get mad, and I believe that the only reason that they put up with me, because I was like, you know what I'm saying? I was, you know, did but I used to get to these points that where um I didn't want to run. Yeah, listen, I'm talking about bit and it was one point I never forget. Uh this was in the early years of my football playing, though. I'll never forget it was a foot, it was a coach. And um, I was like, man, I ain't finna run no more, man. I'm finna go. And he was like, You finna go? Yeah. I took my shoulder pads, started taking my shoulder pads off. Now I'm turned, my back is turned to him. And he slammed my shoulder pads back on, like, you ain't finna quit. You finna get back out here and work. Like, first of all, who you talking to? You ain't my mama, you ain't my dad. And I knew I knew at the my the the person I was out there with, which is was my like the godfather, he wasn't finna go for that anyways. He wasn't, I knew he wasn't gonna have my back. My mama, my mama wasn't even finna come out there. But at the end of the day, all that running helps you when you have what is that what 5, 10, 15. That's 20 minutes on the clock. Yeah, but it's really like an hour and a half, you know, of a game when you're playing a full-fledged game. Because when you get to the end, if you hadn't been training conditioned, you're gonna be done past down. You'd be done with down, not past out, you'd have been done with down, you ain't got no money in you, yeah. And so that was working out for my good, and I didn't realize it. And it helped me to push a little bit longer because that and I think that's that that's the goal. They have you to run, run, run, run, and when you feel like you can't run again, run again. And then when you feel like you can't run no more, you're about to pass out, run again. Yeah, and they used to have this thing that where they say run until you throw up. I never got to the throw up part, but oh my god, it was moments that were when we got done, everybody passed out.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Just flopped on the ground. They be like, no, get up. What? Man, you get out of here.

SPEAKER_05 16:21

You run. I think that's important to first of all, the coach didn't let you quit because he saw something in you that you didn't realize in that moment. Yeah. And a lot of times we feel like we can't do any more. And there's always gonna be a person that says, You got some more left in you. Yeah. And you be like, No, I don't. And that person be like, Yes, you do. Um, I remember when I was in college, um, I was a vocal major, so and probably around my sophomore year, probably about, probably about midways my sophomore year, I was like, I don't want to do music anymore. Yeah, I can go ahead and um switch, I'm I'm finna change my major to history. I love history, so I was like, I can change my major to history. Like, I'm not gonna miss out, you know, on anything. Because my goal was to be a teacher anyway, so I was like, I just teach history. Just we're just gonna switch the discipline. I'm still gonna be in, you know, still doing whatever. And I remember my vocal teacher, um, Dr. Costilla, God rest her soul. She sat me down. She said, Oh, she did. Yeah, oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Oh no. Uh oh, I didn't know that one was dead.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

You didn't know? I thought you knew that.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

She passed like that.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

He probably told me, but I did.

SPEAKER_05 17:52

She passed. Was it before or after Jeremiah was born? Anyway, that's beyond the point. Yeah, yeah, Dr. Castillo, she got rest of so. Anyway, that's beyond the point. The point is, she was like, I no, she was like, no. I was like, I'm I'm about to change my major. She's like, no. And they would not sign my paper. Like, you had to, you know, of course, in college, you had to do like a whole, the advisor has to sign it, cuz now you gotta switch to a new advisor. Uh they would not sign my paper at all. And so, but it made me realize like they saw something in me that I didn't see in myself at the moment. Because at the moment I was just like, I don't want to do this. Like, I've done enough of this. I because at that point I had been training classically for like four years. The two years I did in high school, and then of course my freshman and my sophomore year coming into myself really like three and a half. And I just felt like I just didn't have it. Um and then too, when you when you compare your journey to other people's journeys, it'll make you feel like you don't have it. Right. And I I honestly believe that at that point I was comparing myself to everybody else in the department. I was like, I don't have the strongest voice. Um, these people will make it if they go into the classical world. I'm not. And I and that was okay for me. I was like, you know, I'm okay with not making it in that world. So there's no point in me continuing to classically train. But now I realize, like, even though I have not classically trained, I haven't classically sung since 2019 now, but the the strengthening that I had to do with my voice then is benefiting me now. Because when I leave on Sundays, most of the time I still have a voice, despite all that I do. Um and I don't have to, I know how far to push my voice. I know I can push it past the limit, but I also know that the conditioning that I did then is helping me now. Because I'm able to, I'm able to breathe right. And that's I think that's the thing about going through certain seasons of real life. You pull on what what was taught in the previous season. You pull on what was the what strengthened you in the previous season. You say, you know what, I can pull on that now because I have that in my arsenal. I have that in my bag to say, you know what, let me pull on that. That helped me through last season. I can build on that. I can build on that. And so now I'm able to say, okay, I can build on it.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

So I just want to say this. Um a few years ago, I was um I was appointed as like a music director. And and and I used to try to push her and somebody else. And y'all, they always used to tell me, that song too high. We gonna lose our voice. And it'd be a Tasha Cobb song.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Tasha does it.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

They used to play me, y'all. They used to play, they used to give me a hard time for no reason.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

Tasha sings hard.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

And I be uh, and it was hard because the it was family and it was somebody that was they. But listen, I just want I want y'all to hear what she just said, but I want y'all to understand. They used to play me. I didn't play you.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

I cannot sing soprano.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

They used to play me. I didn't ask her to sing soprano. I just wanted them to sing the song Full Fledge Out.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

I can't sing Tasha Full Fledge Out.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Background.

SPEAKER_05 21:58

I can't sing Tasha Four. She just singing Soprano.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

And she's she's a m today. If I asked her if they asked her to sing the same song, she was saying like this.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

No. That's not true.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

But no, um to kind of go back to my my my situation, that moment changed my life, and that man don't even realize it. The reason why I say it changed my life, but because not but because that moment sticks with me today.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Now it's hard for me to quit something.

SPEAKER_04 22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

It's hard for me to quit something. Like, I have this thing that where I'm like, I can't give up. I can't give up on this. I can't give up on that. And so that changed my life.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

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SPEAKER_01 24:10

Alright, everybody. If you haven't done so already, please like, share, and comment. Please conversate with us as we conversate with you. Tell us what you think about what we're talking about. Yes. Let us know your comments and thoughts on what we're talking about. And today we're talking about ministry, time. Sacrifice. Jesus. Yes. So yeah, uh, that that that uh there are moments that build up build us up to moments like this.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

And we don't even realize it. Um and it can be, it can be it can sound so crazy, but it builds up, it builds, it builds us up and prepares us for uh days like this. I know I wanna want to ask you this question. How you feel? Because I'm gonna be honest with y'all. A lot of this stuff is for me and like like in my leadership role and my assignments, but it always well, it ain't gonna say always, but it it seemed like here lately she just been getting sucked in. Like uh I'm part of uh healing relationship ministries and grace, green, and growth, and revival of the fittest. And sh and and the thing about it was she just was showing up. And her showing up turned into her being a co-host on the show, which I they do a phenomenal job. If y'all missed uh last week's episode, go back and watch. It was powerful. It wasn't it was a little funny. It was powerful. The anointing was in the room. She she joking, but the anointing was in the room. God bum rushed us on Friday night. For sure, and it was hard because we are listening, we move when the Spirit of God enters the room. Yeah, and it was hard for for me as a background uh person because um as listen, it's it's it's very rare I get in those moments that I want to just shout glory or something. So how do you how do you feel? 'Cause I'm because now let's talk about this because um with your personality but with your gifts. It's hard for you to stay out the way.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

It's very hard for me to stay out the way. Um as much as I try to. Um I'm very much a person that is like, you know, I show up, um, number one, because I support you. Um and I'm gonna always do that. I'm gonna show up, number one, because you're my husband, and um I know that I have to have your back, um, even in, you know, in the capacity that you serve. Um, it's just important for me to be there and to um cover you as you go forth. And so I'm always gonna like be there. Um I typically like being in the background though. And here lately, the background does not like me. And I don't it doesn't like me. I like being the background too. Yeah, and so lately the background um has been throwing me away and pushing me into the forefront, and just by me just showing up, and I I definitely don't think it's by happenstance, um, nothing is ever by chance. Um, however, it becomes very difficult for me sometimes because like I said, a lot of times I like to hang back. Um, and it's not because I don't feel like well, it is sometimes because I don't feel like I have to be a voice in the room. I could just be in the room without being a voice in the room. Um, but I'm starting to realize that my input and my voice is necessary in some spaces, and that's um that's tough for me um because I've spent so much time feeling as though my thoughts and my perspective um is insignificant. And so being uh pushed into the forefront when you only came to be a spectator. Well not really a spectator, but when you say, wow, that's not I'm not gonna say spectator, that's the wrong word.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

But when you came I don't approve that word, okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:22

Um when you came only to be a support and not a forerunner, I'll say it like that. When you came only to be, you know, supportive and not a forerunner, then being thrown in that space can sometimes put you in a whirlwind almost because you're like, that's not why I was here. You know. Um I don't take it for granted though because people don't have to give you space. And of course I've been in spaces where people were like, yeah, stay in the background. And they'll privately talk to you about your ideas and then run them like they're their ideas. Um but lately I've been in a space where people are like, hey, yeah, we need your input. What what do you think? What do you you know, and it's uh actually been taken and saying, well, yeah, we we can run with that and let's do it. And um that's that's a weird space for me right now. Um just because of uh just who I am and who I'm growing into b into being, um, that's just it's a weird space. It's not a bad space, it's just a weird space.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

I remember when Apostatasha first told you that we was at a revival of the fittest that that Saturday. And the crazy part about it, I think that day I had to push you to come. And yeah, because I was like Yeah, I had to push you to come. And the crazy part about it, we had already been talking about our podcast and pushing you out. And and and I and I'm gonna tell you how amazing God is because I'm I wanna help I'm gonna help the men, the husbands. So I'm gonna speak to the husbands that's out there that um is when God is instructing you to do certain stuff uh with your wives, and and it seems a little strange and it it may be a little resistance there. Um all I knew God was telling me was that basically it's time to kind of push her out. And we with this even with this podcast, we were uh I knew if I I procrastinated, it probably wouldn't happen. And so I was pushing her out at the moment and to do new things and I was trying to get her to push her with her 60 seconds and all that, be consistent with it. And when Apostle Tasha said what she said, I had to walk to the back because tears was about to fall down my eyes, and I'm like, Lord, you be doing stuff and I'll just be following orders and it be something that you have planned. And so I believe all that kind of coincide. The reason why I believe it kind of coincides is because all this training experience is gonna it's gonna be for a purpose in the future.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

And so uh I just found it real interesting that when she asked you, I was like, and we have a whole A team for her. And if you were thinking naturally, you would have thought she would have been like, hey, one of y'all be the code host. Yeah. But she was like, Jay Nicole's gonna be my co-host. It might have been a shock to them, but I was like, It wasn't I see you, Lord, I see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

And it wasn't a shock to me. Um it was something that I kind of already kind of saw. Um that I was just like in my in my natural mind, I was like, This doesn't even make sense. Um, but I knew I was like, this doesn't make sense. Um but I knew like I knew that I was going to be the person that was gonna have to do it. And it's turned out so it's turned out so wonderful that it couldn't be nobody but God because you and I both know.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Listen, their chemistry is really better than ours. And it'd be it's funny to me because like for them not to not never work together like that in that capacity before, you can't tell.

SPEAKER_05 34:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

You can't tell, like, they feed off each other, they it's it's very natural. Um it's they have they literally have fun while on this podcast and it's well on this uh conversation.

SPEAKER_05 34:23

And it it really blows my mind because I I be like okay, like it'd be a lot like we're very serious, unserious because we we kind of joke in in the midst of serious moments, we joke. And I think a lot of times it's because what we be saying be hitting both of us, and so we don't have any other choice but to kind of laugh in certain points. Um, but it's it's definitely a journey that's made me realize that um it's made me have to speak up, it's made me have to actually like talk and interact. Um and it's made me realize that some of the things that I was told um that was told to me even as a younger kid, um it's stuff that is coming to pass. And I don't know if I ever told you this, but I remember having a conversation with my grandmother, um, and I can remember so vividly, like I can almost see it. And she was like, I could just see you doing like the news. And at that time The news, yeah. She yeah, she you know, she was like, I could see you being like a news reporter, and I was like, at that time I was like, okay, grandma.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Back to you, Jasper.

SPEAKER_05 35:50

And I was just like, okay. And I think I was probably like early teenage, like early teenager, but This was uh my mom's mom.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Yeah, I was trying to think of her name. Barbara. Yeah, you know I was you know that they grandma I I miss uh I don't I don't I don't even think I called her anything.

SPEAKER_05 36:13

I just Yeah we called her Grandma B.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

That was the that was the grandma. Um I don't know, we we I I wouldn't say we had a connection, but she was the one that She loved you. Yeah She loved you she was the one that uh I I had got a couple reports that she she had my back like for sure for sure for sure for sure she uh she was quiet with it, but she had my back. I remember uh going to the hospital. She was in the hospital, and uh she made me feel felt welcome because she was like she was basically telling people that was around that's family. Yeah. You know, don't run him out, that's family. Yeah and um that's always gonna stick with me. Um I remember when she and I know this is off note, but I remember when she passed, you had COVID. Yeah. And Jeremiah was a baby, like uh an active baby. You didn't know whether or not if he was gonna embarrass you. Or he was gonna be good. And um, I took the risk and I took Jeremiah to her funeral without jazz. And that's how special she was to me. Um that was not if and I don't even do funerals. Let's let's throw that disclaimer out there. If you gotta be special for me, show up at your funeral. I ain't trying to be mean, but I just don't I don't I don't do funerals. Like I barely do the people that are close to me. Um but yeah, uh that's how special she was. Uh I showed up in spite in in spite of what was going on. And um and I showed up with I dad. I was like, I can it's no way that I can miss not paying respects to her.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

Yeah. And I appreciate you for that because I I was so upset that I couldn't go. Um I was in quarantine.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

So Yeah, you had the baby COVID. I called it the baby COVID because you really didn't know you had it until you did the test.

SPEAKER_05 38:35

Yeah, I didn't know I had it. Um like sinus. I I could not smell or taste though. That was weird. But yeah, um man, I I under the words that she spoke over me um and spoke into me before she left this earth because a lot of what she said and a lot of what she was trying to push is now coming to pass. Yeah. Um, and I knew I know, like if she was here, everything I done had so far, she would have showed up. You you know she would have been there. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Um that and and that, well, she yeah. Her and that Chrysler 300. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

Yes, her net Chrysler 300, and she kept that joker up good too. She had had that for a long time. Her and Papa Frank. Yep, her and Papa Frank.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Hey, last story. So when we first got our first house, we first got our first story to to even to even have a moment with Papa Frank's is to love him.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah, and they they they had a coffee table, uh a dining room table. I mean, not a dining room, a living room table. And they brought the table over there. And uh, I can't remember if they took the legs off the table to get it in the car or the the like the screw had came out. I can't remember. And so me and him was trying to put the table back together while they was being carried because one thing about it, Grandma Barbara is gonna be a woman, you know. Listen, and so they was doing their thing, and we was I was trying to find the hole of the screw in the table. And he told me these words right here. Now I know you know what a hole is like. Come on, put it in the hole.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

When I tell you, and to know him is to know, like, to know my Papa Frank, God rests his soul as well, but to know him is to know that he's a man of very few words. Exactly. But I was not expecting it. He was hilarious. Um he was hilarious, and him and him and my grandma were almost inseparable. Like, most of the time when I saw Papa Frank, he was with my grandma. Yeah. So um, but I just there are so many things, and I know we've kind of switched gears, but I just when you started talking about your coach, um, it just kind of made me reflect on on her because there are so many things that I'm doing now that I think she saw and just couldn't put it into words to really like tell me, hey, this is what you're gonna be doing. But it was moments where she would say, Well, what are you gonna do with this? I remember one of the last conversations um we really had, like in-depth conversation, was um she was asking me about music. And she was like, Well, what are you gonna do with your music? She said, I really want to help you. And she was trying to put me on. I don't know where she was trying to put me on it, but she was trying to put me on. She was like, I know some people that can help you get, you know, we can get you here and do it.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

What's that record label on uh North Side Drive?

SPEAKER_05 42:11

Malico. Hey, Malico's still big, though. Don't do that. Malico is still major. Ratchet. It's not no, don't do Malico. Malico is still very major, it's just in probably the worst place in Jackson. The worst place in Jackson. But it is a historical place. Like, no, like Malico is still very big, but no, like she was really trying to help me get to where I think she was really trying to help me get to where some of where I am now. And I am forever grateful that um she supported me in a way that I um I wouldn't say that I took for granted, but a way that I um I miss now. Um as far as family because she was the one that just was like, Yeah, let's do it. You know, what are you gonna like she's always asking, what are you gonna do? And um, I honestly truly believe that if she was here now, she'd be so proud. Like, and she'd probably still be pushing me, but she'd be very, very proud um of where I am.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Um so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Well, if you haven't already, like, share, and comment. Come on, talk to us, tell us what you think about what we're doing.

SPEAKER_05 43:36

Who pushed you pushed you in your life? Who pushed you?

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Who pushed you, who um tonight's conversation well, tonight's uh to come with the conversation today uh it it it it it it varied, it took turns, but the turns was necessary, yeah. Um, and that and it and and if we was to ball it up all that, we're not gonna do 60 seconds, but we if we Us to ball it up all in one, um, my takeaway from this would probably be uh because we because we started from now in what kind of help form that yeah and and so we will again go back down memory lanes on and and and she said a scripture earlier all things work together for the good of those that love the Lord. And so when God has a purpose on your life and God has a plan on your life, everything is strategically mapped out by God. Yes, and so we could we went back to those old days and realized the moments that we disliked was the moments that really kind of helped us to be where we are today. It strengthened us to be where we are today. If that coach wouldn't have never pushed me and not made me quit, I probably would be a quitter today. Yeah, I probably would quit everything that I put my hands on. If Mama Barbara didn't push her and encourage her that she's gonna be somebody, then today she probably would be battling worsening what she is uh on who she is and how and how she would be. Now we have to understand that's why I I'm so in a heart of gratefulness of God because some things God could have just let us be.

SPEAKER_04 45:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

And say, hey, figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

But He He mapped out this timeline that even if a little piece of that timeline helped me in my today, I'm grateful for it. And oftentimes we neglect the fact that God is in control, and we neglect the fact that whatever God does, He does for the benefits of our lives. And we become ungrateful because it's tough and we feel like God is not with us. We feel like God can't be for us.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

But at the end of the day, in order for God to get his children to where he needs them to be in their future, he gotta take them through some things in their past.

SPEAKER_05 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

And I and I I um I I believe, I strongly believe in this theory. And uh one thing about rich folks, sometimes they spoil their kids to the point that they can't do nothing in life later on down the line. And I believe if God spoiled us, we wouldn't know how to do certain things later on down the line. I believe if God didn't take Joseph through what he went through, he wouldn't know how to appreciate his family when they came back and they was in need. Because God had to say, and it was more than just about him remembering what his family did in the beginning. Yeah, it's the process that he went through in the middle that helped him say, Well, God, this is a humbling experience. It humbled him along the way so that when his family came back, he was able and being and had the positive attitude to help them. I believe that if David didn't go what he went through, what go through what he went through. And it's so crazy because David was experiencing at a young age that he it was it was it was familiar, but it was unfamiliar. And although he didn't have a spot at the king's seat jet, he could have had his pride when he did certain things. He could have had so much stuff that could have messed him up. But guess what? God made him the way he made him, he allowed him to go the way he went through so he can deal with the battle that was bigger than him later on down the line. Everybody look at David and Goliath and say, that's the biggest battle. No, that's not the biggest battle that he had. He had a more serious battle ahead of him that he had to be prepared for. And here's the thing in that process, in that time, I believe that David was building confidence within God to communicate, to, to, to, to go before and have the courage of God that he had. And so I want to encourage you, just because your past looked it like that, it was horrible, go back and look at your past and see what helped you there.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Instead of allowing it to be trauma, allow it to be a testimonial.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Because at the end of the day, I don't believe that God did things out of spite because he disliked you. Right. He didn't do it because he disliked you. He do it, he did it because he liked you enough that he wanted you to succeed on what you have to have up ahead.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

Yeah. Um if I can take away anything, um there is always an expected end. And um God always had it in mind, even before the foundation of the earth, of where you would be and where you're supposed to be. And He knew the things that would happen along the way that were to strengthen you and to make you and mold you into the person that you are. And so um honor the voices that have pushed you, that have um called you to um a higher standard, even when you didn't want to um be the higher standard, um, because there were so many voices in my life that in the moment I felt like it was the worst conversation or the worst thing for them to tell me to keep going. But in this moment I appreciate and honor their voices because now I understand why they said keep going. Now I understand why they said no you can't quit. Um now I said now I understand why they asked, Well, what are you gonna do? You know, what's the plan, what's the goal, because they saw far beyond what I could see um in that moment and don't take for granted um the places and the spaces that God places you in, even when it seemed like it's hard. Yes, because those places and spaces are the very thing that are helping you to get to the destiny that God has for you. And so um if I could say anything, I would say um honor, honor the sp honor the voices, um the people that got a place in your life that have come as a help and not a hinder. Um because so many there are so many people that have hidden agendas, and to find pure people that have a pure agenda um is so rare now, and so we must learn how to hold space and honor those voices. Um yeah, that's that's my takeaway.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Well, alright, guys, that's another episode and that's in the book. Yes. Um we're grateful that you guys hang hang hung out, hang out, hang up, hung up young one. Thank y'all for hanging out with us. Thank y'all for hanging out with us again. Like, comment, share. Yes. I'm talking about blow this feed up. I'm talking about can put a flight.

SPEAKER_03 51:53

What's the word say? Come on. One could put a flight. A thousand. Two can put a flight.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

How many? 10,000.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

10,000.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

One of y'all can go find at least 50 followers. Two of y'all can go find a hundred. Can go find a hundred fifty. But it's all it's it's this is all about your participation. Yes because we are trying to reach the world. We are trying, this is just something, this is just not a hobby. This is something that we're doing because we're trying to, we know that it's something that we can say or do that can reach the world, uh, that can reach uh uh uh uh people in the ministry, yes, people that are married in the ministry. Yes, we're not we're not one of those people that that that may have all the popular accolades and stuff like that, but at the same time, we we know that sometimes people need to see normal people. Yes. Not not this no shade of nobody. Right. I love all the people that's doing what they're doing. Yeah. But sometimes seeing normal normal people in normal day life can help somebody that they feel like they're they're they're in the same level. And we're not, we're not let's let's let's let's put this disclaimer out there. We're not normal. We just we we we in a space that we can be we can be we can come shake your hand. Yeah. We can come shake your hand. You know, you you you can have access. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're as accessible. We're uh we're a person that we're people that talk to. And is if there's any suggestions that you may have, please throw it out there. Yeah. You know, we would love to hear from you guys. Um talk to us. Um once again, um we have done another episode. I don't know what episode this is.

SPEAKER_05 53:54

This is episode six, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Six. Yes one more episode is one of completion. Then we go to eight in the beginnings.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

We go we're going to continue to keep going for you guys as we go along this journey. And you know, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Yeah. I don't know where they come from.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Oh, Lord have mercy.

SPEAKER_05 54:29

All right, you guys, we've run out of our time. We've run out of time. And until all have heard peace.